Extremes are on both ends. Some people want to use a terminal for all, some don't want a terminal at all.

I'm a terminal guy because most UI I use is just unintuitive and requires a lot of mouse clicking - using mouse is just inconvenient to me. And often there are no tools for what I want to do, or rather, I'd need to open many tools to do something simple like change a file on a remote machine.

But I like a nice IDE, I use DB explorers, I use cloud code to write GUI for data processing and reporting visuals. Terminal is just a "killer app" that's useful for almost everything. So, if you're using regardless, why not make the experience better?

I don't think terminal multiplexers (even Zellij which claims not to be one) make the experience better. They make it worse, actually, because when you have a problem there's one more thing to keep track of: Your terminal emulator, your terminal multiplexer and your TUI.

A decent terminal emulator like kitty solves all of this.

Horses for courses. A decent terminal emulator solves most of it. But I'm guessing there's a reason why there's so many terminal emulators and multiplexers.

Until a few months ago I used to use tmux + foot (tiny terminal), and I enjoyed the setup because I could copy over my tmux config to remote hosts and work as if nothing changed. As I'm mainly working local now, I'm now mostly using Kitty.

I'm a terminal person and would love to try new things. But I just spent a few minutes on their page and have no idea why I would try to use it.

Can anyone help me learn why this over, say, kitty?

It's not an alternative to kitty; it's an alternative to tmux or GNU screen.

I believe it's positioned to be more user-friendly than tmux but I've already got things memorised with tmux and it wasn't bringing anything new to the table, so I didn't try zellij for more than a few days.

I feel the same. If someone would ask me for a recommendation I would point them toward Zellij but if you've been using tmux for years it's probably not worth it.

The modal nature of Zellij is nice though.

I like tmux better as well (muscle memory) but AFAIK you need tmuxinator for preconfiguring layouts?

You need a session manager like tmuxinator, tmuxp and tmux-sessionx are popular choices.

There was an email sent and there's an FAQ saying that they're shutting down the product.

> "(.…) We plan to iterate with them to integrate their tools deep into our training stack to expand our visibility into how models learn."

Kind of means there's an office, yes.

Personally I find the current Google products mediocre almost on all aspects. The killer feature of chat bots is voice chat and ChatGPT works great, and Gemini is extremely quiet without a way to increase volume. It's also difficult to figure out how to sign up for Gemini, or even the keyboard that I'm typing is making so many incorrect predictions. I just don't trust Google. To me they're pure marketing and their engineering excellence ended a few years ago.

Talking from the Vancouver perspective where we have a similar situation - yes, house prices are going down. People list houses with the same price as 3-4 years ago but most close below the asking price.

I'm still unsure whether you're Musk's fanboy or making a joke.

It amazes me after seeing the corruption of the current government that people want to give it more power over our lives.

Seems we don't live in the same country and so we don't have the same "current government." Yes, if I were living in US, I wouldn't want to give the "current government" more power. Though, one might consider what is the cause and what is effect in the US political situation.

I mean it only came out this week. So you heard about it immediately on launch.

There's a lot between "few hours on hacker news" and "10 years"

Kagi doesn't seem to work for anything else than American content. At least, queries in non-english or about things unrelated to US culture brought close to nothing (relevant).

Kagi works for me in other languages, but only if I explicitly switch it from "International" to a specific country search. Otherwise it tends to default US results.

Even when you do that, it heavily prefers English content. Whenever I search for some hardware for example, there are several non country related results on the first page. The first 2-3 usually from the selected country, after that it’s not that great.

When I search for “sony wh1000xm5” for example, then the first 2 are from Hungary, the 3rd are a generic English sony.com page, the 4th from the country, all the others is in English and not related to the selected country at all. Austria is a little bit better, it still has generic English results, but mostly it just ignores the differences between Germany and Austria. It’s a huge pain point when you want to buy something.

I live in Bulgaria and even google is pretty bad at this, however adding the Bulgarian word for price at the end of it always worked for me both in kagi and in google

That's a bit different from my experience. I (although not very often) use Korean and it works ok-ish.

It's far from being close to nothing though.

Thanks! In such a case maybe I need to play a bit more with it.

My "nothing" was a bit harsh as "something" is sometimes returned; though, comparing results with even "Ecosia," the latter one always brings something more relevant.

Simply, for me, working with Kagi for non-US queries felt like working with old search engines - a lot of work to make the query and a lot to browse results.