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Maybe it's better to use numbers based on generation estimate then? Comparing capacity of baseload and intermittent energy sources is very misleading.



Sure, renewables+gas can be considered a baseload source of electricity. Though it's not very cheap nor carbon neutral.


Overproduction of renewables, transmission, and battery/pumped hydro storage negates the need for fossil gas for that last bit of power. Certainly, today, fossil gas is used to fill the gaps, but as the world begins deploying in excess of 1TW/year of renewables this year, that fossil gas will be rapidly pushed out of the mix. And it is arguably better to let those generation facilities become stranded and require decommissioning vs more nuclear (which is orders of magnitude more expensive to decomm due to the nature of nuclear fuel, spent, unspent, and anything it has exposed).

Once the world is awash in clean, renewable energy, we can then scale up direct air carbon capture, paying back the carbon debt we incurred through industrialization burning fossil fuels. No nuclear required.


It sounds great until you start doing the math. We can't decarbonise without nuclear, just look at Germany. It's a poster child for renewables yet it's barely doing better than Poland (where I live). Meanwhile France is (as of now) emitting 1/10th of Germany's CO2 per unit of energy generated.


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/21/us-can-get-to-100percent-cle...

https://www.euronews.com/green/2021/11/01/most-scenarios-tod...

There are lots of grids without any nuclear power already. Poland only has ~34GW of total fossil generation, very easy to replace without nuclear.

https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/PL?wind=false&solar=fal...


You're focusing on electricity and omitting heating, transport, industry and farming.


By which metric is Germany barely doing better than Poland? In 2023, Poland produced 26% of its electricity from renewable sources [1], while Germany produced 52%. And that is with more than twice the amount of people living (and using energy) in Germany as compared to Poland.

[1] https://notesfrompoland.com/2024/01/03/poland-produced-recor...


Renewable energy is not the target, carbon neutrality is. German CO2 emissions per capita were only marginally better than Poland's in 2022 (8.0t vs 8.1t).


Well, I would say that if your population is twice as big as that of another country, any per capita goal is naturally much harder to achieve.


That's not how per capita works.


It absolutely is.




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