Do you mean, like, scripting languages? Are the underlying primitives C and mach...

BoorishBears · 2025-12-14T08:09:08 1765699748

Sure doesn't seem like it. https://x.com/jarredsumner/status/1999317065237512224

And forget scripting languages, take a C program that writes a string to disk and reads it back.

How many times longer does it get the moment we have to ensure the string was actually committed to non-volatile NAND and actually read back? 5x? 10x?

Is it even doable if we have to support arbitrary consumer hardware?

lkjdsklf · 2025-12-14T14:59:17 1765724357

You're stretching really hard here to try and rationalize your position

First of all, I pick the hardware I support and the operating systems. I can make those things requirements when they are required.

But when you boil down your argument, it's that because one thing may introduce non-determinism, then any degree of non-determinism is acceptable.

At that point we don't even need LLMs. We can just have the computer do random things.

It's just a rehash of the infinite monkeys with infinite type writers which is ridiculous

BoorishBears · 2025-12-14T22:25:04 1765751104

No the point was quite clear:

> A few years ago we didn't have an imprecise nondeterministic programming language that would allow your mom to achieve SOTA results on a wide range of NLP tasks by asking nicely, or I'm sure people would have taken it.

But that (accurate) point makes your point invalid, so you'd rather focus on the dressing.

jakelazaroff · 2025-12-15T01:15:14 1765761314

We still don't have that programming language (although "SOTA" and "wide range of NLP tasks" are vague enough that you can probably move the goalposts into field goal range).

BoorishBears · 2025-12-15T05:26:21 1765776381

This comment is written way too adversarially for someone who doesn't know what NLP is.